Posts by Ray Frankz

1) Neutrality means not taking sides. JWs must not HAVE any opinions about politics, even if it affects you or your job or your social class directly.

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1) it's ok if we get involved with politics like begging to politicians to defend the Watchtower properties.

2) We Jehovah's Witness are the ones who study and get the Bible right and we are proud to teach the truth to others

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2) You don't really need to teach anything, just send a link to our website. ;)

3) Unbelievers are the worst. Do not spend a second of your time with them if it's not obligated by the society.

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3) If you try to convert them every single time you talk to them they will like you more. They are fluffy clouds of love when they see you are trying to convert them.

4) One day, in the near future, we will get in the Great Tribulation. There, maybe the GB give you instructions that may not make sense from a human standpoint but you must obey anyway.

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4) Grat Tribulation? Why to wait? We are giving nonsense instructions right now like separating families to different congregations just because of business logistic. And you know, right? Obey!

5)If you leave the org, you will die and it's your fault.

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5) If you see something wrong in the org, warn the org about this, the org deny there's something wrong, you get pissed, the org shun you, you leave the org, the org fix the thing that the own org said wasn't wrong, you die too. And, it's of course your fault.

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Literature cart preaching outside a hospital

by truthseeker in

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here is one thing that really annoys me.. i live opposite a large hospital.

there is a pedestrian crossing connecting the hospital to the other side of the road.

it is at the end of the crossing that the dubs have their literature cart.

Ray Frankz

I don't think you should get involved on this. Claiming that suffering will end is the motto of all religions. The JWs put a chart on the street, others go inside the hospital and make enthusiastic prayers or sing out loud. It's not a JW's peculiarity.

Anyway, do you really think people even stare at the charts?

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Who helps the most - POMO or PIMO

by Ray Frankz in

i was recentely talking to my girl who is also awaken about if there were any chance of the org to lose at least its power and authority since i believe to expect a destruction of the org is unreal i came to the conclusion that the best way to help jws is by means of the pimos.. if we take the own jw logic (the world is bad but we need to live among them in order to bring them to our side) i think that if a good part of the people who left when found ttatt stayed in they we could have much more awaken people today.

when you are out it gets extremely hard to gain the trust of any jehovah's witness to begin with.

every totalitarian government had to fight rebels among them.. im not being numb to the causes of anyone who decided to leave.

Ray Frankz

A person that considers themselves PIMO, is usually not speaking out as Ray did, but simply going along to keep family peace and harmony even as he/she may not be at peace or happy within themselves.

From what I gather, Ray was indeed a PIMO for some years prior to his resignation. It's clear because he did what we all once did or are doing - talk about our concerns with family and close friends. If you heard that he actually defied WT core doctrines before the GB, this is far from true. He was a PIMO, trying to set up all the mess that was on his mind about the things he was discovering. All he wanted was peace. Indeed, he didn't "stand for the truth" and DA himself as many imagine is the only way to act on this issue. He tried to stay living his own life but the GB, the local elders, in a satanic show of cruelty, hunted him and forced him to quit.

Of course, after being out, he spoke all he thought should be heard.

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Who helps the most - POMO or PIMO

by Ray Frankz in

i was recentely talking to my girl who is also awaken about if there were any chance of the org to lose at least its power and authority since i believe to expect a destruction of the org is unreal i came to the conclusion that the best way to help jws is by means of the pimos.. if we take the own jw logic (the world is bad but we need to live among them in order to bring them to our side) i think that if a good part of the people who left when found ttatt stayed in they we could have much more awaken people today.

when you are out it gets extremely hard to gain the trust of any jehovah's witness to begin with.

every totalitarian government had to fight rebels among them.. im not being numb to the causes of anyone who decided to leave.

Ray Frankz

PIMO doesn't really help. You could have the entire org be full of PIMO people and it would still exist and function.

I understand your point but I disagree. If like 50% were PIMO imagine the money that the org would not put the hands on and imagine how much less hours of field service would be wasted and boasted about. Imagine the decline on the number of elders and pioneers. And, the most important, these people wouldn't be hampered to talk to their PIMI friends and explain why they are "not so excited with the kingdom things" and all...

In the long term, the org would be forced or to change or to become a placebo.

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Who helps the most - POMO or PIMO

by Ray Frankz in

i was recentely talking to my girl who is also awaken about if there were any chance of the org to lose at least its power and authority since i believe to expect a destruction of the org is unreal i came to the conclusion that the best way to help jws is by means of the pimos.. if we take the own jw logic (the world is bad but we need to live among them in order to bring them to our side) i think that if a good part of the people who left when found ttatt stayed in they we could have much more awaken people today.

when you are out it gets extremely hard to gain the trust of any jehovah's witness to begin with.

every totalitarian government had to fight rebels among them.. im not being numb to the causes of anyone who decided to leave.

Ray Frankz

I was recentely talking to my girl who is also awaken about if there were any chance of the org to lose at least its power and authority since I believe to expect a destruction of the org is unreal I came to the conclusion that the best way to help JWs is by means of the PIMOs.

If we take the own JW logic (the world is bad but we need to live among them in order to bring them to our side) I think that if a good part of the people who left when found TTaTT stayed in they we could have much more awaken people today. When you are out it gets extremely hard to gain the trust of any Jehovah's witness to begin with. Every totalitarian government had to fight rebels among them.

Im not being numb to the causes of anyone who decided to leave. In fact I recognize the personal benefits are totally valid. What I'm saying is that maybe this - leaving - is what is making the org able to remain powerful. Let's be sincere, we are not Ray Franz. A resignation or a speech of protest from us is like throwing a rock in a lake, it makes small waves and quickly fades. I really believe we should think of this alternative strategy.

What do you think? Is the possibility of bringing the org down be enough to keep you associated?

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I've graduated at last

by fulltimestudent in

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after a bit of a kerfuffle over a procedural matter, my university has awarded me a degree.

(the procedural problem was caused by my independent selection of what i wanted to study).

award : bachelor of arts.

Ray Frankz

Congratulations. The second book of R. Franz made me interested in History of christianity.

Mostly because of the org I Pioneered right after high school and lost a precious time. But "God heard my prayers" and I expect to graduate in physics by the end of next year. I'll be practically 27. There's a latent bad feeling that the time will never be recovered, but, I'm trying to focus on the good side.

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I just watched the final video from this years convention. OMG!!!

by NikL in

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i am shaking all over right now.

i think it's worse that the bunker video.. i used to think there was no way that these people would actually "drink the cool aid" if you get my drift, but seeing this video i am now not sure it could never happen.. having a wife who i love dearly trapped in this cult is really freaking me out right now...

Ray Frankz

Who do you think will kill most JW?

The SWAT or the Holy arrow of Jesus Michael Christ the Archangel ?

It remembers me the RPG I made based on the biblical characters LOL;

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A song about us and for us Ex-JW's that has lyrics we can all relate to

by StoneWall in

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i've known many talented witnesses and ex-jw's that could compose music,write novels, paint portraits etc.

but i think this is the best art-form(music,songwriting and composing) that i have personally seen/heard so far that puts what so many of us have experienced and endured into words.i used to listen to r.e.m.

's song "losing my religion" and think how great it would be if someday an ex-jw could do a song that would apply even more to us.

Ray Frankz

I think the song "Freedom" by Anthony Hamilton ( theme of Django unchained) is almost perfectly fit to the life of a JW who is waking up. It talks about o physical slavery and physical freedom but the feeling is identical.

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Convention trailer on TV

by Ray Frankz in

https://www.jw.org/pt/testemunhas-de-jeova/congressos/congresso-2018-testemuhas-jeova/.

looks like they are going to advertise on tv!.

lol that is new.

Ray Frankz

Well, this is far more discreet. In portuguese it kind of says it WILL be broadcasted in all the world.

"This public event ad was made available for broadcasting to television channels in all the world"